tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post2410350901151616487..comments2023-10-29T21:14:24.325+08:00Comments on SHE in China: No more bully teachersJonna Wibeliushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08954672453008704738noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-15472272798040674352008-09-23T07:33:00.000+08:002008-09-23T07:33:00.000+08:00trevelyan -I think I would have been insane to bla...trevelyan -I think I would have been insane to blame myself for her laughing at my handwriting.. I mean, c'on. They already know how hard it is for us (as hard it is for them to learn Eng!) so why make fun of someone who is trying? Nah, I prefer male teachers to be honest!Jonna Wibeliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08954672453008704738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-46569165706566138352008-09-23T06:29:00.000+08:002008-09-23T06:29:00.000+08:00I once attended a course at BCLU that involved 4 h...I once attended a course at BCLU that involved 4 hours of listening to various professors talk and about zero conversational practice. Put simply, there's an amazing lack of understanding about how to teach language in China. People approach it as if classroom time alone is enough.<BR/><BR/>My question from reading your post is why you were writing on the board in class anyway. Vertical writing isn't natural for anyone who hasn't taught for a year or two. And is that sort of activity honestly a good use of face-time with the teacher?<BR/><BR/>I say congrats on blaming your teacher instead of blaming yourself. One of the most liberating experiences you can have as a student is to stop putting faith in other people teaching you, and committing to teach yourself regardless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-676291451577624762008-09-22T04:31:00.000+08:002008-09-22T04:31:00.000+08:00It is interesting to know different struggled in d...It is interesting to know different struggled in dealing with teachers.jonsainthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00514048459669132524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-58702168739316348622008-09-22T02:01:00.000+08:002008-09-22T02:01:00.000+08:00One situation I can think of in which you need to ...One situation I can think of in which you need to know stroke order is when you need to enter something in text-entry systems using handwriting recognition. As of recently, this seems to be becoming fashionable in vending machines and portable devices.afritzsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15623229199561712145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-17299974226106666762008-09-21T19:11:00.000+08:002008-09-21T19:11:00.000+08:00Hey thanks everyone for your comments, encourageme...Hey thanks everyone for your comments, encouragements and advices! I still feel that the handwriting of characters is something I put up with in order to memorize the characters.. I doubt that I later in life will write characters by hand, I mean, even my Chinese friends tell me that they have forgotten how to write some characters by hand because they always use the computer nowadays.. so... that makes me think, how important is it to master the handwriting? As long as I remember the characters (so that I can write them with a computer) that should be enough, right?Jonna Wibeliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08954672453008704738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-22236029594905645052008-09-21T18:56:00.000+08:002008-09-21T18:56:00.000+08:00Like anonymous said, I would recommend taking a ca...Like anonymous said, I would recommend taking a calligraphy class (gang bi(pen) not mao bi(brush) unless you're really serious about it)<BR/>I used to go to one in the north. It was great, all my classmates were 7/8 years old and I practiced a lot of chinese with them!. After about 5 classes you'll see a huge difference in the way you writeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-84412937364848962452008-09-21T05:19:00.000+08:002008-09-21T05:19:00.000+08:00Have you tried Chinese calligraphy? It will help y...Have you tried Chinese calligraphy? It will help you to improve your hand-writing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-21077203974599211252008-09-20T23:23:00.000+08:002008-09-20T23:23:00.000+08:00Hehe Seems that you kind of struggle with the same...Hehe <BR/><BR/>Seems that you kind of struggle with the same that I did. Like one test were I scored 50 instead of 90 because I started every sentence with a capital letter(and pinyin should not start with a capital letter according to Li laoshi), so even though every sentence was right (except the capital letter) I failed the test.<BR/><BR/>The problem for you will be that you maybe wont be able to write fast enough if you cant remeber the right stroke order, because you got to be more aware of how the characters looks like since most chinese people find it really hard to read a character when it is not written in the right stroke order and therefore you might fail some test because of misunderstandings with the teacher.<BR/><BR/>I found some comfort in the fact that I have never been in a situation outside school were I regret not learning the right stroke order :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-73455075656561329962008-09-20T22:48:00.000+08:002008-09-20T22:48:00.000+08:00God your teacher sounds like a nightmare!RE the wr...God your teacher sounds like a nightmare!<BR/><BR/>RE the writing of characters. In my opinion the only way to learn is to learn like Chinese kids learn; to write them over and over again. It's obviously time consuming to sit down and write them over and over so I usually just doodle a few characters on a newspaper etc.<BR/><BR/>I also think it would help to learn what the different parts of the characters are called in Chinese so you can say them in your head as you are writing them. For example 'san dianr shui' - the three dots for water, and all the radicals to the side (pang) ie 'ren zi pang' , 'mu zi pang' , 'li zi pang'<BR/>I hope you know what I'm getting at! But don't really worry about it, one day it will 'click'. Also in the real world the only characters you need to write are names, surnames and addressesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-79286452199966786362008-09-20T21:33:00.000+08:002008-09-20T21:33:00.000+08:00I am sorry to hear about your bad experience with ...I am sorry to hear about your bad experience with this Chinese teacher. Honestly your teacher reminds me of my Chinese wife when my wife teaches our kids Chinese characters. Chinese folks don't get it. Trust me. You have my sympathy. Glad you are going to switch class. I hope the new male teacher is more understanding, which he should be. Our kids (American-born Chinese) go to a Chinese language school on Saturdays. My daughter's teacher is probably as bad as yours. She expects too much out of an American kid who learns Chinese as a second language. Oh, well. I don't see how China can become the world leader even their people don't get it. A culture that demands its spoken language (i.e. characters) to be written in one and only one way of sequential strokes cannot comprehend the concept of efficiency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-25484498947824097972008-09-20T17:40:00.000+08:002008-09-20T17:40:00.000+08:00The best response to a bully teacher is to fight b...The best response to a bully teacher is to fight back by your excellence. In fact, that's the Chinese logical for it.<BR/><BR/>Teacher humiliates student<BR/><BR/>Student feels angery<BR/><BR/>Anger becomes a stimuli<BR/><BR/>Student works harder<BR/><BR/>At last, student beats the teacher with his or her performance<BR/><BR/>Then, student and teacher become life long friendsMark's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11261344850661323552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-13971135160889329112008-09-20T17:33:00.000+08:002008-09-20T17:33:00.000+08:00I guess that was a good decision.Following the str...I guess that was a good decision.<BR/><BR/>Following the stroke order with writing characters just needs some getting used to. I have found it makes remembering characters easier rather than harder, because following stroke order you won't forget certain dots or lines you might otherwise miss.<BR/><BR/>In addition, it allows you to remember characters in your head, while waiting in traffic, in the subway and so on, when you have nothing else to do. Without stroke order, that would be impossible.<BR/><BR/>The more characters you know, the more natural stroke order will be. For at least 95% of the characters, I didn't have to learn anything because they follow general rules.afritzsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15623229199561712145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-82546834526086404982008-09-20T12:56:00.000+08:002008-09-20T12:56:00.000+08:00You are brave - I think I would have burst out in ...You are brave - I think I would have burst out in tears. My friend Sam also went to college here and the teaching methods were "shame and embarrassment." (Direct quote.) <BR/><BR/>That's just horrible. Good for you to keep at it!!m--ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854445691240106877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-9898346519403682872008-09-20T12:35:00.000+08:002008-09-20T12:35:00.000+08:00Congrats on the class change :). I myself attend ...Congrats on the class change :). I myself attend UH. I've been taking chinese for 4 years in highschool and 3 years at the university already and i've noticed a lot about teachers. I'd say 75% of my teachers tended to give me annoyed or fake smiles but the rest were really sincere. I think its because i look mad all the time, so they don't know how to react.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, most chinese teachers are like that, they'll critique you on everything even if its unrelated to the exercise at hand.<BR/><BR/>I'm currently taking Chinese301 and it's killer. All the new characters that i've never seen before is just overwhelming, so I know what you're going through, especially with all the native speakers or talented students in the class. It can make you feel junk T_T. I really enjoy reading your posts, so keep writing. Good Luck ^^Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com