tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post7448792663015809471..comments2023-10-29T21:14:24.325+08:00Comments on SHE in China: What's read and has money inside?Jonna Wibeliushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08954672453008704738noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-56465396792655435492008-10-17T05:57:00.000+08:002008-10-17T05:57:00.000+08:00This is one negative aspect in Chinese society I w...This is one negative aspect in Chinese society I wish to see die out. With that aside it's perfectly OK to accept it during CNY or weddings or from relatives, I think in those occasions it'll be rude to refuse it. Traditionally hongbaos suppose to have symbolic gesture of goodwill, but sadly in reality it doesn't always work like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-78374637177421461922008-10-16T17:51:00.000+08:002008-10-16T17:51:00.000+08:00i hate it too,but ,我也送过红包,也接受过红包,事实上,你的这篇文章让我脸红,但我...i hate it too,but ,我也送过红包,也接受过红包,事实上,你的这篇文章让我脸红,但我觉得你说得很好。alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15843475885060652227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-19101139329631782192008-10-16T14:13:00.000+08:002008-10-16T14:13:00.000+08:00Mark -That time when I gave away my hongbaos is lo...Mark -That time when I gave away my hongbaos is long gong... nowadays I don't receive any red envelopes anymore...I only got a 'study hong bao' for good exam results at Suzhou Daxue last semester, but that one I sort of felt like I deserved.. ;) <BR/>I actually never even thought about refusing accepting a hongbao?! How very stupid of me! From now on, I'll always do that. Thanks for the insight!<BR/><BR/>Emil -I think sticking to your morals are quite crucial in order to be a good business man/woman. Just because u disagree or dislike something doesn't mean you won't accept it. There are many things in China that I dislike, but still accept. What other way to do it? <BR/><BR/>Besides, I don't think me pointing out things like the food issue, or the fact that I dislike hongbaos makes me a moral police?Jonna Wibeliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08954672453008704738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-30188289381411970172008-10-16T13:40:00.000+08:002008-10-16T13:40:00.000+08:00Like your last post, When in Rome...If you want to...Like your last post, When in Rome...<BR/><BR/>If you want to do business in China you will have a hard time if you at the same time want to be the moral policeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-55974507508745176912008-10-16T13:22:00.000+08:002008-10-16T13:22:00.000+08:00I hate this tooBut two parties are free to do what...I hate this too<BR/><BR/>But two parties are free to do whatever they choose too.i.e. Accept or Refuse<BR/><BR/>If one party think what was required of him is immoral, illegal or unacceptable, he can just refuse to accept the Hong Bao, which is also the norm. <BR/><BR/>Actully I think if you do not want to accept his offer, it's better to refuse the Hong Bao in the first place no matter how hard he pushes rather than give it to charity and do nothing for him. In fact, that's many Chinese usually do, either because it goes against their principles or what was required was too much. Like your friend said, if the doctor cannot do the job, he return the money.<BR/><BR/>I mean, this is in fact a contract in itself. Hong Bao for an extra action beyond normal written rules, because written rules are just inadepuate or outdated. I think that doctor case is a classic exampe of this, if doctor were allowed to a higher pay, or charge a satisfactory price, will his still take this bribe(Hong Bao)? But since they are not allowed to do so, they have to find a way out. I like to consider this Hong Bao phenomenon, aside from customs, sort of black market that addresses the problem of over regulations or public opinions(like the doctor case,both regulation and public opinion tend to consider doctor are earning too much altough the market demand and supply just cannot make it lower, but low price means higher risk;if the patient wants reduce risk, he has to pay more, but the problem is he cannot even legally pay more to this doctor, so hong bao has its way).<BR/><BR/>I have seen many Chinese refuse Hong Bao as well as accept them, even demand or return extra.<BR/><BR/>More over, I would like to see Chinese relationship fundmentally as a debt/credit relationship. The point is not to get debt/credit balanced, but to maintain it unbalanced and retain the feelings of being owed and owing, so that a closer intiamcy and higher trust can be achieved.<BR/><BR/>Hong bao in a custom sense is a mean to achieve this interpersonal intimacy--give other money, let them have a feeling of owing someone something, the giver and receiver can then gradually develop trust. I mean, if someone give others money without asking for anything, it means he trust the other side.<BR/><BR/>But, I still cannot help but saying this, it's perfectly fine if you do not accept Hong Bao, but if you accept the money but do nothing to satisfy the demand. Many Chinese would probably consider it even worse than bribe and corruption in a moraliy sense. I mean, I cheer for your decision of giving it to homeless and charity, but I really feel worried about it.Mark's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11261344850661323552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8491088023973371313.post-9370294618717103352008-10-16T08:48:00.000+08:002008-10-16T08:48:00.000+08:00another occasions,for instant,wanna get a good job...another occasions,for instant,wanna get a good job in a huge company especially SOE;both the wedding and funeral sites,people give the Hongbao to show the "congradulation" and "May God bless him(her) in heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com